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Automatically transcribed by Speechnotes on: 26.11.2024 klo 21.19.50
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Welcome to another deep dive. If you are listening to this, you're probably interested in the human mind, consciousness, and the potential for AI. So are we, and for this episode we took a deep dive into some fascinating discussions on a Finnish science forum and paired that with some cutting edge research on AI and the brain.
Speaker 2: { 0:19 }
So you're diving into online forums now? I'm intrigued. What kind of forum are we talking about?
Speaker 1: { 0:24 }
Here, Well, it's a forum that focuses on science and technology. It's in Finnish, but luckily we've got our crack team of translators on the case.
Speaker 2: { 0:31 }
That makes sense. So what's got you so excited about this particular forum thread?
Speaker 1: { 0:36 }
This one is a real head scratcher. It revolves around this concept of memetical naturalism.
Speaker 2: { 0:40 }
Memetical naturalism? That's a new one for me. Care to elaborate?
Speaker 1: { 0:44 }
It's this really intriguing idea that our minds aren't just shaped by our biology, but also by these units of cultural information called memes. Think of those catchy tunes that get stuck in your head, those viral trends that spread like wildfire.
Speaker 2: { 0:58 }
Like those Internet memes, those funny pictures with captions?
Speaker 1: { 1:01 }
That's just one type of meme, but the concept is much broader. It's about any idea, behavior, or skill that can be passed from one person to another.
Speaker 2: { 1:10 }
OK, I'm starting to get it. So how does this medical naturalism thing relate to the human mind?
Speaker 1: { 1:16 }
Well, the forum discussion we found delves into whether memes are actually the key to understanding consciousness. It pits this idea against more traditional views that rely on a soul or some non physical element to explain the mind.
Speaker 2: { 1:30 }
Wow, OK, that is a deep dive. Who are these people having this debate?
Speaker 1: { 1:34 }
The main participants are these two users with the screen names Naturalisty, Anastatan, Elgulan.
Speaker 2: { 1:41 }
I ticket. Those names don't exactly roll off the tongue.
Speaker 1: { 1:43 }
They are a bit of a mouthful. We could just call them naturalist and oil situation for short if that's easier.
Speaker 2: { 1:48 }
Oil situation? That's an odd one.
Speaker 1: { 1:50 }
It's a direct translation of the Finnish, and honestly, it's part of what makes this form so interesting. You never know what kind of quirky characters you'll encounter.
Speaker 2: { 1:58 }
Well, I'm all ears.
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So how does this debate about memes and consciousness unfold?
Speaker 1: { 2:02 }
Well, they start off discussing the structure of the brain itself.
Speaker 2: { 2:05 }
Makes sense, got to start with the hardware.
Speaker 1: { 2:07 }
Exactly. And Naturalist proposes this idea that the brain is like a two-part system.
Speaker 2: { 2:14 }
OK, I'm listening two parts. Like what?
Speaker 1: { 2:16 }
There's the lizard brain, which is the part we inherited from our reptilian ancestors. You know, the part that controls those basic survival instincts, fight or flight, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: { 2:25 }
OK, the primal part of the brain. So what's the other part?
Speaker 1: { 2:28 }
The other part Naturalist calls the meme machine.
Speaker 2: { 2:31 }
Meme machine. So memes are like gears in our brain or something?
Speaker 1: { 2:36 }
It's not about physical gears, but more about how the brain processes information. Naturalists believes that this meme machine takes all the raw data from the lizard brain, the basic sensations and experiences, and interprets them through the lens of all the memes we have absorbed.
Speaker 2: { 2:52 }
So it's like the meme machine gives meaning to our experiences, shapes how we perceive the world.
Speaker 1: { 2:58 }
That's the gist of it.
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An oil situation actually chimes in to support this idea. They point out how different areas of the brain are influenced by either genes or experienced.
Speaker 2: { 3:07 }
So our genes lay the foundation, and then our experiences, shaped by memes, build on top of.
Speaker 1: { 3:13 }
That exactly like our basic sensory and motor functions, seeing, hearing, moving, those are primarily hardwired by our genes.
Speaker 2: { 3:22 }
But then you have the higher level thinking, decision making, That's where our experiences and therefore memes really come into play.
Speaker 1: { 3:28 }
Precisely these association cortex, which is the part of the brain responsible for those higher level functions, is heavily shaped by what we learn and experience, and naturalist believes that those experiences are heavily influenced by those memes we encounter this.
Speaker 2: { 3:42 }
Meme machine? Is it like constantly evolving then adapting to the memes we're exposed to?
Speaker 1: { 3:48 }
That's what Naturalist argues, and it gets even more interesting when they talk about individual memes themselves.
Speaker 2: { 3:53 }
More interesting? How so?
Speaker 1: { 3:55 }
Well, naturalist believes that each meme is actually subjective.
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They say memes only have a phenotype. So like the meme itself is abstract until it's expressed through our actions and interactions.
Speaker 2: { 4:05 }
OK, I think I'm getting a little lost here. Yeah, subjective memes. Phenotypes.
Speaker 1: { 4:10 }
It's a bit of a head spinner. Think of it like this. A meme is like a blueprint, but each person interprets and expresses that blueprint differently.
Speaker 2: { 4:21 }
So like my understanding of a meme like democracy might be different from yours.
Speaker 1: { 4:26 }
Exactly, but we can still have a conversation about it because the meme provides a common reference point.
Speaker 2: { 4:32 }
So it's like having different interpretations of the same song. We might hear different things, emphasize different parts, but we're still listening to the same tune.
Speaker 1: { 4:40 }
That's a great analogy, and now Oil situation brings up a fascinating comparison between memes and what they call supernormal stimuli. OK.
Speaker 2: { 4:48 }
Supernormal stimuli? I'm already intrigued.
Speaker 1: { 4:50 }
Think about those birds that are attracted to the bright colors of a flower.
Speaker 2: { 4:54 }
Right, because the color signals food or something.
Speaker 1: { 4:56 }
Exactly.
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But what if you created an artificial flower with even brighter colors and a stronger scent than a real flower?
Speaker 2: { 5:03 }
I guess the birds would go crazy for it. They wouldn't be able to resist.
Speaker 1: { 5:06 }
Exactly. An oil situation argues that memes can be like the supernormal stimuli for our brains. They can hijack our attention and influence our behavior, even if the information they carry isn't important for survival.
Speaker 2: { 5:20 }
So it's like those catchy jingles or those addictive social media apps. They're tapping into our brains in a way that's almost irresistible.
Speaker 1: { 5:27 }
Exactly, they're like super memes that exploit our natural tendencies and can end up shaping our thoughts and behaviors.
Speaker 2: { 5:33 }
This is starting to get a bit unsettling. So are we all just puppets controlled by memes? Where does our free will fit into all of this?
Speaker 1: { 5:40 }
That is the $1,000,000 question, isn't it? And it gets right to the heart of the debate about consciousness.
Speaker 2: { 5:46 }
So where do these forum users land on that whole consciousness debate?
Speaker 1: { 5:49 }
Well, Naturalist argues that medical naturalism actually offers a materialist explanation for consciousness.
Speaker 2: { 5:56 }
Materialist meaning.
Speaker 1: { 5:57 }
Meaning that our minds are simply a product of these biological and cultural building blocks. No need for a soul or some mystical element to explain how we think and feel.
Speaker 2: { 6:07 }
So it's all about how those brain structures and the memes they've absorbed interact.
Speaker 1: { 6:11 }
Exactly. And naturalist suggests that consciousness is what emerges from that interaction. And when those structures cease to function, like, you know, when we die, that's it, consciousness ends, no.
Speaker 2: { 6:22 }
Afterlife. No eternal soul. I can see why this topic generates so much debate. It challenges some pretty fundamental beliefs about who we are.
Speaker 1: { 6:30 }
It certainly does, and Naturalist takes it even further, arguing that all knowledge, even things like scientific theories and mathematical formulas, only exist as subjective interpretations within individual minds.
Speaker 2: { 6:43 }
Hold on, is naturalist suggesting that ECM, Sato, you know one of the most fundamental equations in physics is just a subjective human interpretation?
Speaker 1: { 6:52 }
That's exactly what they're saying. They believe that outside of a mind to comprehend those concepts, they're just symbols or data points.
Speaker 2: { 6:59 }
So if all knowledge is subjective, how can we ever be sure we're understanding the world accurately? How can we even talk about objective truth?
Speaker 1: { 7:07 }
That's the big question that arises from this line of thinking, and Naturalist offers this interesting perspective on the evolution of reality itself.
Speaker 2: { 7:15 }
The evolution of reality. OK, I'm definitely intrigued. Lay it on me.
Speaker 1: { 7:19 }
Naturalist sees it as a three stage process. First there was matter, the basic building blocks of the universe.
Speaker 2: { 7:26 }
OK, that makes sense. Got to start somewhere.
Speaker 1: { 7:28 }
Then life emerged using genes as the blueprint for its development and evolution.
Speaker 2: { 7:34 }
So life, building upon the foundation of matter makes.
Speaker 1: { 7:37 }
And finally, culture emerges using memes as its driving force.
Speaker 2: { 7:42 }
So first matter, then life, then culture driven by memes.
Speaker 1: { 7:45 }
Exactly, and Naturalist sees culture not as something separate from us, but as a collection of these memes that are constantly being shared and evolving through our interactions.
Speaker 2: { 7:54 }
It's like this interconnected web of minds, all contributing to this ever changing sea of cultural information. It's a beautiful but also a little bit overwhelming thought.
Speaker 1: { 8:04 }
I agree, it really highlights how intertwined our individual minds are with this collective cultural reality we all share.
Speaker 2: { 8:11 }
So where do we go from here? How does this all connect back to AI and the potential for creating conscious machines?
Speaker 1: { 8:19 }
Well, that's where the discussion takes a turn towards the work of a neuroscientist named Jeff Hawkins.
Speaker 2: { 8:23 }
Jeff Hawkins, the guy who wrote on intelligence, I've heard of him.
Speaker 1: { 8:26 }
That's the one, and both naturalist and Oil situation seem to agree that his work is relevant to this whole discussion about memetical naturalism, especially his ideas about how the neocortex works.
Speaker 2: { 8:38 }
The neocortex being that outer layer of the brain that's responsible for higher level thinking, right?
Speaker 1: { 8:44 }
Precisely. And Hawkins believes that the neocortex is essentially a prediction machine. It's constantly building models of the world based on our experiences.
Speaker 2: { 8:54 }
So our brains aren't just reacting to the world, they're actively trying to predict what's going to happen next.
Speaker 1: { 8:58 }
Exactly.
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And Hawkins believes this predictive capability is that the core of intelligence.
Speaker 2: { 9:03 }
OK. I can see how that would be important. Being able to anticipate what's coming next would give you a huge advantage in terms of survival.
Speaker 1: { 9:11 }
Precisely. And Hawkins believes that the neocortex is actually composed of thousands of these independent modules called cortical columns.
Speaker 2: { 9:19 }
Cortical columns like tiny little brains within our brain.
Speaker 1: { 9:22 }
In a way, yes. Each column is responsible for building its own little model of the world, and all these columns communicate and integrate their models to create this unified understanding of what what's going on around us.
Speaker 2: { 9:33 }
Wow, our brains are even more complex than I thought. Yeah. So what does all this have to do with AI?
Speaker 1: { 9:40 }
Well, Hawkins believes that if we want to create truly intelligent AI, we need to understand how these cortical columns work and try to replicate that structure in artificial systems.
Speaker 2: { 9:50 }
So instead of just focusing on raw processing power, we need to build AI that can learn and adapt in a way that's more like how our own brains work.
Speaker 1: { 9:59 }
That's the idea.
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And Hawkins isn't just theorizing about this. His company, Numenta, is developing AI based on these principles. They are definitely pushing the boundaries of what's possible.
Speaker 2: { 10:09 }
That's pretty amazing, but we have to admit there are some pretty big differences between our biological brains and those artificial networks that we're currently building, right?
Speaker 1: { 10:17 }
Absolutely, and those differences present some pretty big challenges for creating truly intelligent AI.
Speaker 2: { 10:24 }
Like what kind of challenges are we talking about?
Speaker 1: { 10:26 }
Well, one major difference is in the architecture itself. You know how we've been talking about the brain being so dynamic and hierarchical with those cortical columns constantly interacting and adjusting their connections? Yeah.
Speaker 2: { 10:37 }
The brain's like a bustling city with all these interconnected pathways and structures.
Speaker 1: { 10:40 }
Exactly. But most of our current AI models are based on these more rigid, layered structures. They are not nearly as flexible or adaptable as the brain.
Speaker 2: { 10:50 }
So it's like trying to simulate the complexity of a city using a simple grid pattern. It's just not going to capture the full picture.
Speaker 1: { 10:57 }
A perfect analogy.
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And then there's the issue of how information is processed. Our brains use these incredibly energy efficient signals, called spikes, to communicate between neurons.
Speaker 2: { 11:08 }
Spikes. Is that like a kind of Morse code of the brain?
Speaker 1: { 11:11 }
It's a fascinating way to think about it, and this spiking method is remarkably efficient compared to the way most AI models process information, which tends to be much more energy intensive.
Speaker 2: { 11:22 }
So our brains are not only more complex in structure, but they're also much more efficient in how they handle information.
Speaker 1: { 11:30 }
And there's another key difference. In our brains, memory and processing are very tightly integrated. Each neuron is both storing information and performing computations.
Speaker 2: { 11:39 }
But in most AI systems, those functions are kept separate, right? You have the memory units and the processing units.
Speaker 1: { 11:45 }
Exactly. And that integration of memory and processing in the brain contributes to its remarkable flexibility and adaptability. It's something that we haven't been able to replicate in artificial systems.
Speaker 2: { 11:55 }
So it's not just about building bigger and faster computers, it's about understanding those fundamental principles that make the brain so unique.
Speaker 1: { 12:03 }
Precisely. It's a much more fundamental challenge than just throwing more processing power at the problem.
Speaker 2: { 12:08 }
This makes you realize how far we still have to go in AI development. It's not just about mimicking the brain's physical structure, but about understanding the emergent properties, like consciousness, that arise from its complex workings.
Speaker 1: { 12:22 }
And it all circles back to this fundamental question, what is consciousness and can we even create it in a machine?
Speaker 2: { 12:29 }
Can we build a machine that truly thinks and feels that experiences the world in a way that's even remotely similar to how we do? It's both exhilarating and a little bit terrifying to think about.
Speaker 1: { 12:41 }
Absolutely. And that leads us to the next big question. What are the implications of AI developing consciousness? What would that mean for humanity?
Speaker 2: { 12:49 }
It's a question that takes us from the realm of science fiction into a potential reality.
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It makes you wonder, if AI were to develop a consciousness shaped by the memes it encounters, just as we've been discussing, what would that look?
Speaker 1: { 13:01 }
Like, it's almost like we'd be creating a digital reflection of ourselves.
Speaker 2: { 13:05 }
Exactly, but one that could potentially surpass our capabilities and that raises all sorts of ethical and philosophical dilemmas. Would such an AI have rights? What responsibilities would we have towards it?
Speaker 1: { 13:17 }
And how would it view us? Would it see us as creators, as partners, or even as competitors?
Speaker 2: { 13:23 }
These are questions that go far beyond the technical challenges of building AI. They touch on the very core of what it means to be human.
Speaker 1: { 13:30 }
It's almost like we'd be encountering another intelligent species, but one that we've created ourselves.
Speaker 2: { 13:35 }
It's a mind boggling concept and it challenges us to confront our assumptions about intelligence and consciousness.
Speaker 1: { 13:42 }
We tend to think of intelligence as this uniquely human trait, but what if it's something that can emerge in different forms, shaped by different evolutionary pressures, or in this case, by the flow of information and these memes?
Speaker 2: { 13:54 }
And that brings us back to this whole idea of medical naturalism.
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It really makes you question everything we think we know about the world.
Speaker 1: { 14:02 }
It's both humbling and exhilarating to realize how much we still don't know, and it's crucial that we keep having these conversations. We need to explore these ideas and grapple with the challenges that AI presents.
Speaker 2: { 14:14 }
Absolutely. The future of AI is intricately tied to the future of humanity, and we have a responsibility to steer that future in a direction that benefits everyone.
Speaker 1: { 14:25 }
Well said. This deep dive has been a wild ride. We've covered so much ground, from the structure of the brain to the nature of memes, from the challenges of AI development to the philosophical implications of creating a conscious machine.
Speaker 2: { 14:39 }
It's been an incredible journey exploring these ideas that challenge our assumptions and push us to think in new ways.
Speaker 1: { 14:44 }
It's clear that biology, culture and technology are becoming increasingly intertwined. The lines between the natural and the artificial are blurring more and more.
Speaker 2: { 14:53 }
And in the end, we're left with this profound sound question, What does it truly mean to be conscious?
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And what will it mean in a future where we may not be the only ones experiencing it?
Speaker 1: { 15:02 }
It's a question without a single answer, but it's a question that invites us all to explore, to question, and to imagine the possibilities.
Speaker 2: { 15:11 }
And that's the beauty of it all, isn't it? The mystery, the unknown, it keeps us curious, keeps us striving to understand.
Speaker 1: { 15:17 }
And on that note, we've reached the end of our deep dive. But the conversation doesn't end here.
Speaker 2: { 15:23 }
Take these ideas with you, think about them, talk about them, and see where they lead you.
Speaker 1: { 15:28 }
Thank you for joining us on this exploration of the human mind, artificial intelligence, and the intriguing world of the medical naturalism. Until next time, keep questioning, keep learning, and keep diving deep.
Speaker 2: { 15:39 }
Yeah, it really does make you rethink things, doesn't it? If our most fundamental scientific knowledge is ultimately a product of how we interpret things subjectively, what does that even mean for how we understand the world?
Speaker 1: { 15:51 }
It's like the more you think about it, the less sure you become about anything.
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We rely on things like science and math to make sense of the world, but maybe it's all just a bunch of memes shaping our perception.
Speaker 2: { 16:00 }
Well, that's what makes this whole discussion so fascinating. It forces us to look at the limitations of our own knowledge. Naturalist and Oil Situation even discuss the idea of consciousness as something that emerges from the interactions between these memes.
Speaker 1: { 16:14 }
And emergent property? What exactly do they mean by that?
Speaker 2: { 16:17 }
It's kind of like, imagine a flock of birds, right? Each bird is doing its own thing, following its own instincts, but when they all come together, they create these complex and dynamic patterns that you wouldn't be able to predict just by looking at 1 bird.
Speaker 1: { 16:32 }
Oh I see what you mean. So you're saying that consciousness is like a flock of birds? It's not just about the individual memes, but about how they all work together to create something new and complex.
Speaker 2: { 16:42 }
Exactly, it's a pretty mind blowing concept and it raises all sorts of questions about how we would even recognize consciousness in something like an AI.
Speaker 1: { 16:49 }
Especially since we're still trying to figure out how it works in our own brains.
Speaker 2: { 16:52 }
Absolutely, and it makes you think about the challenges of creating truly conscious machines.
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If consciousness is this emergent property, then simply copying the physical structure of the brain might not be enough. We would need to recreate that dynamic interplay of information and experience.
Speaker 1: { 17:10 }
It's like trying to capture lightning in a bottle. Speaking of AI naturalist and oil situation, go on to discuss the work of Jeff Hawkins who we talked about earlier.
Speaker 2: { 17:18 }
Right the neuroscientist who believes we need to study the brain structure, especially the neocortex, if we want to build truly intelligent machines.
Speaker 1: { 17:26 }
Exactly What I find really interesting about Hawkins approach is his focus on the brain as a prediction machine. He argues that the neocortex is constantly building models of the world based on our experiences and using those models to try to figure out what's going to happen next.
Speaker 2: { 17:41 }
So we're not just React to the world around us, we're actively trying to understand and predict it.
Speaker 1: { 17:47 }
That's exactly what he's saying, and he believes that this ability to predict is central to intelligence. It's what allows us to make sense of the world and navigate it effectively.
Speaker 2: { 17:56 }
And it's something that we could potentially build into AI systems.
Speaker 1: { 17:59 }
That's the hope, and Hawkins takes this idea even further by suggesting that the neocortex is actually made-up of thousands of these independent modules, called cortical columns.
Speaker 2: { 18:08 }
Cortical columns. So it's like having all these little specialists, each with their own area of expertise, all working together to create a complete picture of the world.
Speaker 1: { 18:18 }
That's a good way to think about it. It's an incredibly complex system, but Hawkins believes that if we can understand how these cortical columns work, we might be able to replicate that structure in AI.
Speaker 2: { 18:29 }
It's fascinating to consider the possibilities, but we have to acknowledge that there are some pretty big differences between our biological brains and the artificial networks we're building today.
Speaker 1: { 18:39 }
What are some of the biggest hurdles we face in trying to replicate the brains capabilities?
Speaker 2: { 18:44 }
Well, one major difference is in their architecture. You know how we've been talking about the brain being so dynamic and hierarchical, those cortical columns constantly interacting and changing their connections?
Speaker 1: { 18:55 }
Right.
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It's like comparing a bustling city with all its interconnected streets and buildings to a neat and orderly grid.
Speaker 2: { 19:01 }
And that difference in structure has a huge impact on how information is processed. Our brains use those energy efficient spikes to transmit information.
Speaker 1: { 19:10 }
Like a kind of Morse code for the brain.
Speaker 2: { 19:13 }
Exactly, and it's way more efficient than the analog computations used in most AI systems, which guzzle a lot more energy.
Speaker 1: { 19:20 }
So not only are our brains more complex, they're also way more efficient.
Speaker 2: { 19:24 }
And there's another key difference. In our brains, memory and processing are tightly interwoven. Each neuron can store information and perform computations at the same time.
Speaker 1: { 19:34 }
But in most AI systems, those functions are separated, right? You have your memory units and your processing units all doing their own thing.
Speaker 2: { 19:40 }
Exactly. And that integration of memory and processing in the brain is what makes it so flexible and adaptable. It's something that's really difficult to reproduce in artificial systems.
Speaker 1: { 19:49 }
It seems like we're still a long way from being able to create AI that can truly match the brain's incredible capabilities.
Speaker 2: { 19:56 }
We've still got a lot to learn. It's not just about building bigger and faster computers. It's about figuring out those underlying principles that give rise to intelligence and consciousness.
Speaker 1: { 20:06 }
And it brings us right back to that core question, what is consciousness and is it even possible to create it in a machine?
Speaker 2: { 20:13 }
Could we build a machine that genuinely thinks and feels, experiences the world in a way that's anything like what we humans do? It's a question that fills me with a mix of excitement and apprehension.
Speaker 1: { 20:25 }
It really is, and it leads us to that next crucial question. What would it mean for humanity if AI were to develop consciousness?
Speaker 2: { 20:33 }
It takes us from the realm of science fiction into a possible future. Makes you wonder, if AI developed a consciousness shaped by the memes it encounters, just like how we've been talking about, what would that even look like?
Speaker 1: { 20:44 }
It's almost like we'd be bringing to life a digital version of ourselves. But but one that might have capabilities beyond our own.
Speaker 2: { 20:50 }
Precisely. And that brings up a whole host of ethical and philosophical questions. Would such an AI have rights? What would be our responsibilities towards it?
Speaker 1: { 20:58 }
And how would it see us? Would it view us as its creators? Its partners, or perhaps even its rivals.
Speaker 2: { 21:05 }
These questions go way beyond the technical issues of AI development. They force us to examine what it truly means to be human.
Speaker 1: { 21:12 }
It's as if we're about to meet a new intelligent species, one that we ourselves created.
Speaker 2: { 21:17 }
And that encounter could be amazing, terrifying, or maybe a little bit of both. It forces us to confront our own biases and assumptions about what intelligence and consciousness actually are.
Speaker 1: { 21:27 }
We tend to think of intelligence as something unique to humans, but what if it could emerge in different forms, shaped by different forces, maybe even by the flow of information and memes?
Speaker 2: { 21:37 }
It all comes back to this whole discussion about medical naturalism. It really makes you question everything you thought you knew about the world.
Speaker 1: { 21:44 }
It's humbling and exciting to realize just how much we still have to learn, and it's important to keep these conversations going. We have to grapple with these challenges that AI presents.
Speaker 2: { 21:53 }
I completely agree.
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The future of AI is interwoven with the future of humanity, and we have a responsibility to ensure that future is positive for everyone.
Speaker 1: { 22:02 }
Well said. This deep dive has been a wild ride. We've explored so many ideas, from the inner workings of the brain to the strange world of memes, from the hurdles of building AI to the philosophical quandaries of creating a conscious machine.
Speaker 2: { 22:17 }
It's been an incredible journey exploring these concepts that challenge our assumptions and make us rethink what we know.
Speaker 1: { 22:24 }
It's clear that biology, culture and technology are all becoming more and more entangled. The lines between the natural and the artificial are getting blurrier every day.
Speaker 2: { 22:33 }
And ultimately, we're faced with that fundamental question, what does it really mean to be conscious, and what will it mean in a future where we might not be the only ones experiencing it?
Speaker 1: { 22:42 }
It's a question without a simple answer, but it's a question that begs us to explore, to question, and to imagine the possibilities.
Speaker 2: { 22:49 }
Yeah, it's a question that really takes us from like sci-fi into what could actually happen. What would it look like if AI developed consciousness, Especially like we were talking about if it was shaped by memes?
Speaker 1: { 22:59 }
It really is a question we need to think about. What happens when an AI can learn, adapt and change how it understands the world based on all the information it takes in. It's like we would be making a digital copy of ourselves.
Speaker 2: { 23:11 }
But one that could be even better than us at being us. And that leads to some pretty tough questions about ethics and philosophy. Like would an AI like that even have rights? And what would we owe it?
Speaker 1: { 23:23 }
And how would it see us? Would it think of us as like its parents or its partners? Or would it be more like competition?
Speaker 2: { 23:31 }
Those questions go way beyond just the technical parts of making AI They make us rethink what it means to be human.
Speaker 1: { 23:37 }
It's almost like we would be meeting aliens, but ones that we made ourselves.
Speaker 2: { 23:42 }
It could be amazing, scary, or both. Yeah, it makes us question what we think we know about intelligence and consciousness.
Speaker 1: { 23:48 }
We always think intelligence is just a human thing. What if it could happen in different ways? You know, shaped by different things, not just evolution, but information and memes.
Speaker 2: { 23:58 }
That brings us back to this whole memetical naturalism idea. It really makes you wonder what we actually know about anything.
Speaker 1: { 24:04 }
It's humbling but also pretty exciting to think about how much we still have to learn, and it's super important that we keep talking with this stuff. We have to face these challenges that come with AII.
Speaker 2: { 24:13 }
Totally agree. The future of AI is tied to the future of humans, and we have a responsibility to make sure the future is good for everyone.
Speaker 1: { 24:22 }
Well said. This deep dive has been a wild one. From brains to memes, from making AI to what happens if AI wakes up?
Speaker 2: { 24:30 }
It's been a trip, right? Thinking about stuff that challenges what we thought we knew and making us see things in new ways.
Speaker 1: { 24:36 }
It seems like biology, culture, and tech are all mixing together more and more. The line between natural and artificial is getting blurry.
Speaker 2: { 24:43 }
And in the end, we have this huge question, What does it mean to be conscious? And what happens if we're not the only ones who are?
Speaker 1: { 24:49 }
That's a question that doesn't have one answer, but it makes us explore, ask questions, and imagine possibilities.
Speaker 2: { 24:55 }
And that's what makes it so cool, right? The mystery, the unknown. Yeah.
{ 24:59 }
Makes us want to figure it out.
Speaker 1: { 25:00 }
Well, we are at the end of our deep dive for today, but the conversation doesn't have to stop here. Take.
Speaker 2: { 25:06 }
These ideas with you, you think about them, talk about them, and see where they take you.
Speaker 1: { 25:09 }
Thanks for joining us as we explored the mind AI and this weird world of medical naturalism. Keep asking questions, keep learning, and keep on diving deep. See you next time.
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